אתם יודעים למה גברים כ"כ טובים בפילוסופיה לעומת נשים?

Lucifer LightBringer

Well-known member
Because of the Y chromozone...

תמיד שואלים למה?
לא יודע, אבל קשה לי לראות אישה שמוכנה למות בשביל מה שהיא מאמינה כמו סוקרטס...
זה משהו שאני לא מבין בנוגע לסוקרטס, אם הוא אמר שהוא יודע שהוא אינו יודע מניין הוא היה כל כך בטוח באמונתו שהוא היה מוכן למות בעבור אמונתו?
 

dory30

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זה לא משהו שאתה יכול למדוד, בניגוד לתחרות ריצה או משחק כדורסל שם יש "ניצחון ודאי" (לא אשתמש במילה מוחלט כי היא קצת טעונה).
 

Lucifer LightBringer

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זה לא משהו שאתה יכול למדוד, בניגוד לתחרות ריצה או משחק כדורסל שם יש "ניצחון ודאי" (לא אשתמש במילה מוחלט כי היא קצת טעונה).
בממוצע.
נראה לי מצטטים את סוקרטס באימרה:"מצא לך אישה, אם היא תמצא חן בעיניך הרי תהיה מאושר ואחרת תהיה פילוסוף..."
זה כבר אומר דרשני.
אבל האם אתה בכוונה מתעלם מהשאלה האחרונה בהודעה הפותחת?
 

dory30

Well-known member
בממוצע.
נראה לי מצטטים את סוקרטס באימרה:"מצא לך אישה, אם היא תמצא חן בעיניך הרי תהיה מאושר ואחרת תהיה פילוסוף..."
זה כבר אומר דרשני.
אבל האם אתה בכוונה מתעלם מהשאלה האחרונה בהודעה הפותחת?
ממש לא. כי אני לא יודע מאיפה נלקחה הקביעה.
 

Lucifer LightBringer

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הנה מה שהבוט אומר:

Socrates' statement, "I know that I don't know" (also known as Socratic ignorance), is one of the most famous ideas attributed to him. On the surface, it might seem paradoxical for someone who claims not to know anything for sure to die for his beliefs. However, Socrates' philosophy and his actions are more nuanced, and understanding this nuance can resolve the apparent contradiction.

1. What Did Socrates Mean by "I Know that I Don't Know"?

  • Humility in Knowledge: Socrates did not claim to be completely ignorant of everything. Instead, he was acknowledging the limits of human knowledge. His claim of ignorance was meant to highlight the danger of false knowledge—the idea that people often believe they know things with certainty when they do not. Socrates believed that true wisdom comes from recognizing the limitations of one's own knowledge.
  • A Method, Not a Claim of Total Ignorance: Socratic ignorance was not about rejecting all knowledge but about remaining open to questioning and inquiry. Socrates did not deny all knowledge or truth; rather, he was critical of the kind of certainty that prevented genuine understanding and dialogue. His method of dialectical questioning (the Socratic method) was designed to reveal the assumptions and contradictions in people's claimed knowledge.

2. Socrates' Beliefs and Values

While Socrates professed ignorance about certain matters, he did hold deeply held beliefs and values, particularly regarding:
  • The pursuit of truth and virtue: Even though Socrates claimed not to know ultimate truths, he believed strongly in the pursuit of truth and the need to live a virtuous and examined life. For him, the quest for understanding and living in accordance with reason and ethics was a noble and essential endeavor.
  • The examined life: One of Socrates' most famous sayings is, "The unexamined life is not worth living." He believed that self-examination, dialogue, and critical thinking were the keys to living a meaningful life, and these were values worth defending.
  • Moral integrity: Socrates held that it was better to suffer wrong than to do wrong. His commitment to moral principles was central to his philosophy, even if he did not claim to have all the answers to ethical dilemmas.

3. Why Socrates Died for His Beliefs

When Socrates was put on trial in Athens, he was accused of corrupting the youth and impiety (not believing in the gods of the city). Socrates had the chance to escape execution or recant his beliefs, but he refused. Here’s why:
  • Integrity and Principle: Socrates' commitment to his principles was so strong that he was unwilling to compromise them, even in the face of death. He believed that to abandon his philosophical mission, which was divinely inspired (according to him), would be to betray his integrity and his role as a gadfly (someone who provokes thought and self-examination in others).
  • Belief in a Higher Moral Order: Although Socrates admitted to not knowing certain things, he did believe that living a virtuous life—one in pursuit of truth, wisdom, and justice—was more important than preserving his life. For him, it was morally wrong to stop philosophizing or to flee from his duty, even if it meant death.
  • Fear of Death: Socrates also argued that fearing death was irrational because no one knows what happens after death. Since he didn't claim to know whether death was a bad thing, he didn't fear it. In the Apology, he says: "To fear death, gentlemen, is no other than to think oneself wise when one is not; to think one knows what one does not know. No one knows whether death may not be the greatest of all blessings for a man, yet men fear it as if they knew that it is the greatest of evils."

4. Socratic Paradox: Ignorance and Certainty

The key to resolving the paradox of why Socrates would die for his beliefs, despite claiming ignorance, lies in understanding that Socratic ignorance was about epistemic humility—an acknowledgment of the limits of human knowledge—but it was not a rejection of all beliefs or values. Socrates knew what he did not know, but he had strong convictions about how one ought to live: in pursuit of truth, justice, and wisdom.
  • Epistemic Humility vs. Ethical Certainty: While Socrates was skeptical of people's claims to certain knowledge, he was not a skeptic about ethical principles or the value of inquiry itself. His willingness to die for his beliefs was a demonstration of his commitment to ethics and his view that it is better to live a just life than a life of compromise or hypocrisy.

5. Socrates' Death as a Philosophical Statement

Socrates' death can be seen as the ultimate philosophical statement. By accepting his execution rather than abandoning his philosophical mission, Socrates lived out his philosophy in the most profound way:
  • He demonstrated that philosophy is not just an abstract intellectual exercise but a way of life.
  • He showed that integrity, the pursuit of truth, and moral virtue were worth more than physical survival.
  • He underscored the importance of remaining true to one’s principles, even in the face of death.

Conclusion: Why Did Socrates Die for His Beliefs?​

Socrates did not claim to possess all knowledge, but he had strong moral beliefs about the importance of living an examined life, pursuing virtue, and maintaining integrity. His acknowledgment of ignorance was not about denying all knowledge or values but about recognizing the limitations of human understanding and remaining committed to questioning, learning, and self-improvement.
Socrates’ death was the ultimate expression of his belief in the importance of philosophy and the examined life. He showed that some things—like integrity, virtue, and the search for truth—were worth more than life itself. This is why he chose to die for his beliefs, even though he professed to "know that he did not know" in certain matters.
 
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